DIYARBAKIR -- Ah, Diyarbakir. This is an ancient city, almost 4,000 years old, one of the oldest on the planet. Last time I was here, the oppression stuck to my skin like humidity in a rain forest. Armored personnel carriers roamed the streets and the cops beat the hell out of a crowd of Kurds when they came to a cemetery hoping to memorialize a democracy martyr's death from the early 1990s.
This time, however, the APCs were parked off the streets. There is a notable lack of gendarmes, Turkey's internal security police and the primary force responsible for keeping order in the southeast for the last 15 years. The sidewalks are cracked but bustling. Merchandise -- whole fish, shoes, scarves and fabrics, toys and sweets -- spill out onto the sidewalks, forcing older women in headscarves and traditional dress, men in kafiyehs and the Kurds' trademarked baggy trousers to compete for walking space with teenagers in Nike sweatshirts and young men in leather jackets trying to look tough. Or they could take their chances in the street with the taxis, zooming madly, beeping their horns in staccato blips as warnings. The cacophony is thrilling, exhilarating, and even now as I sit in my hotel room, I can hear the merchants in the bazaar calling out, the horns, the traffic, snippets of conversation that echo up the alley walls and slip into my room.
Turkey lifted the emergency rule a few months ago and the difference, to me, is dramatic. This is a city that feels newly alive.
But not so to some of the younger Kurds. Emre, a 17-year-old English student, found me as I was trying to reach the KDP's Damascus office. Slight, with delicate features and a mustache that was shyly announcing itself, he was interested in my satellite phone. As we struck up a conversation, he took to a caravansarai -- a trading post built 500 years ago by the Seljuk Turks -- that now served as a tea garden. It also served as a mini-bazaar, with merchants in each corner running shops selling carpets, silver-work, scarves, kafiyehs and even old Iranian rials.
Sitting down among intricately knotted carpets exploding with color -- note to self: come back and ship one of these home when you come back through -- that hung from the walls and ceiling supports, Emre, J., myself and Emre's friend, Necati, sat down to some of the ubiquitous tea.
He was against the war, of course -- basically everyone in Turkey, 94 percent, is against the war -- but I asked him if things were better now that emergency rule had been lifted. He said it was only a little better. I asked him if the Turks were justified in worrying about its own Kurds attempting to break off and dash for independence if the Iraqi Kurds over the border attained their own country.
"Let me answer your question with a question," he said. "In America, there are, what, 50 states? Does the black man want his own nation? Does the brown man?"
I said no.
"And why is that?"
J. spoke up. "Because they don't have to. They are happy being Americans."
Emre said that was his point. "If I can speak my own language, learn Kurdish in school, listen to Kurdish music and have the same democratic rights as the people in the west [of Turkey], why would I need my own country? We want the same economic development as in the west, too, we want to be as rich as they are. If we had all this, why would Turkey's Kurds need their own country?
"But if we can't have that," he warned. "Yes, I want my own country. Yes, I will want a military to protect myself."
Technical notes
I've since found out that some donors have been getting the B2I-Dispatch hours after it's gone up on the Web site, which is exactly backward from the way it's supposed to be. I'm truly sorry and I apologize. I will see what I can do about that. I've also discovered that I grossly overestimated the bandwidth available on the sat-phone. Which means there may not be many pictures until I get back. I haven't taken many, however, since my focus has been on traveling, but perhaps Diyarbakir would be of interest to people.
Also, I read every comment that people make on this site, as well as all emails. However, because of time, bandwidth and other considerations, I may not be able to respond to everyone. Please don't take it personally. I really, really appreciate everyone taking the time to write, and your notes of support keep me excited about all of this.
As for donations, I also don't often have time to thank you all personally, but I have been forwarding your email addresses (as per PayPal) to Mike for adding to the list, which he is doing. So while you might not get a personal thank-you note, you are being put on the list. And allow me now to thank you all very much for your continued support.
Just added you to my blogroll, at the very top I might add…awesome work, looking forward to the first of your dispatches from Southern Kurdistan(excuse me, southern Iraq :-)
Keep it up, Kevin Sites chose CNN, so you’ll be the first totally Independant Journalism blogger in theatre.
Congrats!
Ciao,
David
What you are doing is incredibly important. Be safe, and keep sending us news of what’s really going on over there.
What you are doing is incredibly important. Be safe, and keep sending us news of what’s really going on over there.
If you could get to Suleymanija, please visit the PUK headquarters. I left my cute Colibri lighter there… in 1994. It is yours.
What you are doing is one of the most important thing. I mean being a real journalist.
Cheers
Gyorgy
I recently heard from a German tv correspondent in the area that, in his opinion, a majority (he did not qualify that any further) of Turkish Kurds had by now come to the conclusion that a state of their own would not be a viable solution, especially in the economic sense - so, he argued, this majority had finally given up the struggle for national independence.
I do not blog, so I read everybody else’s. Hearing from an actual journalist AT THE SCENE is priceless and your telling it like it is makes you possibly the only American journalist in that position. Keep it up, and stay safe.
Be very careful using your sat phone… there was an announcement yesterday that embedded reporters are forbidden from using them from here on out. Check it:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/B360131.htm
I”m sure you know about the warning that Cheney issued before the war started about indy journalists and satphones… don’t jeopardize your safety to satisfy our curiosity.
Glad to hear you made it this far. Keep up the good work.
-Dan
An independent war writer out in the field… this is a first! Cheers!
Hi, First of all.. We Kurds will NEVER EVER give up our dreams for a nation. Get that? I don’t know any Kurd who dose not wish for a Kurdish Nation. If we don’t get our nation, we will pass it to our children and to their children…
We will never give up..
And PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT reffer Kurds from North Kurdistan as “Turkish Kurds” there is no such thing as a Turkish Kurd.. have you ever heard someone say “English German” ? Don’t use the words of our enimes.. don’t deny us our identity.
By the way Chirs.. If you want contact with anyone in Hawler I could give you my friends Telephone. I also Have friends in Sulymania.
I hope you will enter south Kurdistan without any major obsticals.
Concerning the term “Turkish Kurds”, me persronaly as a kurd don´t think that is something that you should make a fuse of it.
I mean If you instead use the term “Northern Kurds”, there aren´t so many who undrestand that yoy actualy mean Turksih Kurds…
I think most of the Kurds want to have their own kurdish state (a grate Kurdistan), but if one is a bit realstic, you know that it´s just a dream and lais far remote.
But a ferdral governing sytem is more realsitic and a good start for the Kurds.
“Hi, First of all.. We Kurds will NEVER EVER give up our dreams for a nation. Get that? I don’t know any Kurd who dose not wish for a Kurdish Nation.”
I live in the State of North Carolina. North Carolina is one of fifty states of the United States of America. Each state (Even thought it seems there is a McDonalds on just about every corner-sic) has its own unique identity and sense of pride and ownership.
Having said that, I try to imagine the difficulty comprehending what it would be like or what would happen if our Federal Government up and said that the State of North Carolina no longer existed and we would be under the rule of Washington DC. (That really would be a depressing thought)
While that is completely simplistic and hopefully unreal, I try to use that as a beginning basis for understanding the desire and passion of the Kurds for their own Nation-State. But we don’t have the history the Kurds do, especially with Turkey. So, with the US finally being the newest player to this deadly game, continue to be patient and help educate us on the history and how to work towards a viable Iraqi / Kurdish solution.
The country that has been shown on the TV of the northern Iraqi countryside is absolutely beautiful. Southwestern Iraq kinda sucks though….. ;)
Cheers,
Don B.
That’s what I love about this site, four different views about a Kurdish state, all expressed eloquently, politely, and with heart. Long may this continue! I wish our leaders could sit down & discuss our problems in this same manner, & perhaps so many mothers son’s wouldn’t need to die in “troubles” around the world. George, Tony & Sadaam I wish you could read this.
thanks chris for giving us this forum & making this possible.
One down…
Perle resigned!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2894059.stm
Perle only resigned as chairman of the advisory board, he is still a member, so the “resignation” doesn’t mean a whole lot. Since he’s still on the board, it appears that all of his ethical issues remain (trading on his position to make money and the like).
Perle said he would donate any future money he received to a worthy cause. How about to the Mothers,Fathers,Wives and children of the men and women that have died fighting this war.
How about to the Mothers,Fathers,Wives and children of the men and women that have died fighting this war.
Indeed, Mr. Perle will be donating the funds to the next of kin of our courageous young men and women who sacrificed themselves for their country. God Bless them all.
christopher,
the iraqi’s seem to be “detaining” some journalists at the mo. don’t know if you have seen this:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2902805.stm
take care
Christopher, you wrote:
““In America, there are, what, 50 states? Does the black man want his own nation? Does the brown man?”
I said no.”
A more realitic response should have been “yes.” There are a number of black and brown people who want their own nation. American Indians have been trying to get their own nation (back) for almost half a millenium. They are now relegated to “reservations” which happen to be chunks of land that no one else wanted. The Cherokees were marched from southeastern US to the midwest (the Trail of Tears). Futhermore, there have been an number of attempts (albeit small ones) to establish independent Black nations within the US. The fact that these movements were small and unsuccessful does not mean they didn’t happen.
Haven’t people heard of AFRICA? That’s where the African Americans came from.
“In America, there are, what, 50 states? Does the black man want his own nation? Does the brown man?”
I don’t know which black man you’re talking about, but I sure as hell want MY own state! I’m gonna have a militia with all the toys, and we’ll have live fire training two weekends a month, except during football season. No income tax, get rid of most of the tit-sucking public employees, mandatory gun ownership, free cable…
“I try to imagine the difficulty comprehending what it would be like or what would happen if our Federal Government up and said that the State of North Carolina no longer existed and we would be under the rule of Washington DC.”-Don B.
Where the hell you been Don? It happened during the 50-year reign of FDR. The states just exist now to collect taxes, write tickets, and jail uppity negroes.
Peshmerga,
I guess they called them “Turkish Kurds” because Turkey considers all people who are Turkish citizens and live in their country, Turks. Is “Kurdish Turks” better?
And I guess you are saying the the Kurds living under Saddam are not happy, and the ones living in the Turkish Republic are not happy. I’m not sure that you can generalize - wasn’t the past prime minister of Turkey a Kurd? Aren’t Kurds at high-ranking government positions in Turkey? Also, since Kurds never had their own state in history, wouldn’t you be worried about how to run such a state?
Let’s also remember that throughout history, international powers have always used the “divide and conquer” strategy - that is, split dangerous regions into as many countries as possible so that each one will be weak. That’s why the middle east looks the way it looks now, not as a result of wars and strong vs. weak territory-taking, but as a planned splitting drawn on a map. By powerful countries. For the sake of powerful countries.
So I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that if an independent Kurdistan is what the US is promising, they will actually help you build it; especially if it will make you happy, there’s even more reason for that not to happen at all.
Thanks for opening my eyes to different cultures, different perspectives and opinions. Keep up the great work.
DD:
“I guess they called them “Turkish Kurds” because Turkey considers all people who are Turkish citizens and live in their country, Turks. Is “Kurdish Turks” better?”
Turkey considers all people living in Turkey as Turks NOT Kurds or Assyrians or Arabs. Why do they have to enforce laws that prevent them to use Kurdish as an ethnic identity?
Just months ago, some Kurdish parents had been jailed because they gave Kurdish names to their children. Kurdish Turks is worse; there is nothing such as Kurdish Turks or Turkish Kurds. Can we call a German in Germany for Somalia German?
The Kurdish people living on Kurdish soil should be called Kurds and not Turkish Kurdish.
DD:
“Aren’t Kurds at high-ranking government positions in Turkey? Also, since Kurds never had their own state in history, wouldn’t you be worried about how to run such a state?”
The only high rank true Kurdish person I know is Lelya Zana, who has been sitting in jail for the past 9 years because she dressed in Kurdish dress and spoke Kurdish.
DD:
“That’s why the Middle East looks the way it looks now, not as a result of wars and strong vs. weak territory-taking, but as a planned splitting drawn on a map. By powerful countries. For the sake of powerful countries.”
No, it M.E looks like this because of the undemocratic governments and rules. Turkish government under the fascist of Kemal ata Turk rule killed millions of non-Turks and its law the he created was racist. The Turkish government have committed more genocides than any other country in the Middle East. Turkey lives still under denial of its Kurdish 20 million population.
Kurds have their own language, culture; history there fore can not be discriminated by giving them other ethnic’s names especially if the very same ethnic is oppressing them.
Every time a Kurd speaks of self independes or ethnic rights, people talk about how some certain powers just want to “destroy” what good we have in the Middle East. Well that is just nonsense. We have the right for independence and acknowledge for being a unique and specific ethnic group.
Peace to Kurdistan, Freedom for Kurdistan
From Kerkuk to Sinna, from Seulymania to Diyarbekir
Peshmerga:
I guess “Kurdish Soil” is another definition open to discussion.
Wasn’t Turgut Ozal, ex Prime Minister of Turkey, a Kurd? And Suleyman Demirel, ex PM and President?
It seems not only Turkey but many countries / empires have repressed Kurds throughout history. Whom do you blame/hate most, the Turks, Iraqis or Iranians?
Genocide, I don’t know, I’m not a historian, but if anyone tried genocide on Kurds, it sure seems to have failed.
You mention that Kurds have the “right to independence”. Do you mean, the right to own soil and an independent, internationally recognized state? If so, I don’t think Turkey is the only reason you don’t have those right now.
Would you like oil with that?
Using the same anology Emre (by the way this a pure Turkish name) used, in the US there are all kind of ethnic groups; they may use their own language at home or have their or cultural traditions but everybosdy is American and official language is English, that is the common ground sort of speak. The tradition in Turkey coming from 600 hundred years of Ottoman times was and is similar to that. There was one common language but also the understanding and acceptance of other “millets” (nations) in the empire. That’s how Kurds were able to be the part of the system and at the same time protect their identity like all other minorities in all through those centuries.
Also kind of answering the so called Peshmergadotnet, what is wrong with being a Turkish Kurd, just like being an Italian American, Irish American etc. unless you are a ‘no other opinion seperatist’?
Cheers,
Can Z.
Toronto
DD:
No, Turkey is not the only country that oppresses Kurds, surely Iraq, Iran and Syria do their parts too. Here are the different:
In Turkey, they talk about human rights and democracy but they seem to implement such rights only on those whom deny their ethnic background and call themselves Turks. As long as Kurds don’t talk about independence they are fine, as long as they don’t practice they cultural (Kurdish) rights then they are fine. As long as the Kurds remain the “little” brother everything is fine. But that contracts the basic elements of human rights and democracy. If 20 million Kurds want to have right to exercise their rights as a unique ethnic people and also demand “ethnic rights”. There is a huge difference between human rights and ethnic rights.
So what is Turkish hypocrisy?
The Turkish government recently banned a democratic peaceful lawful political party Hadep. Could it be that Hadep was the only pro Kurdish party in Turkey that consists of Kurdish members?
Or is it the fact that Leyla Zana (a Kurdish politician) who now is on a “retrial” after 9 years in prison?
Or could be the fact that Turkey still holds the highest record in volition against human rights cases in the European Court?
Could it be that Amnesty International recently talked about hundreds of women been raped by Turkish police and military?
Or could it be that the Human Rights Watch’s recent warning of “the Kurdish people in north Iraq might be in great danger if the Turkish army starts to occupy more Kurdish soil” ?
Or could it be that Turkey still has the heights number of political prisoners in the Middle East? And almost 70 people have died in prison in protest for the past year?
Or could it be the fact not a single international journalist has been in the Kurdish areas outside the Kurdish cities for the past 15 years.
Or could it be the fact that Turkey still dose not admit its crime against the American people. The fascist AtaTurk committed the largest genocide ever against the Armenian people after their Ottoman “Empire” committed its own genocide against the Armenian people.
Or could it be the fact that Turkey still occupies Cyprus and really thinks it’s their soil too?
Well, DD
In contrast to Turks, Kurds are an ancient people with a soild history; we have been in Kurdistan for thousands of years before even any “Turk” exist on this earth planet. If you don’t believe me why don’t you take a good class in history before the Ottoman period, or preferably the “Mongolian” period when they concord countries and raped, murded millions of people in Asia, Middle East and Europe.
DD:
” Do you mean the right to own soil and an independent, internationally recognized state? If so, I don’t think Turkey is the only reason you don’t have those right now.””
It seems you know nothing about Turkish history.
Treaty of Sevres 1920 clearly gaves the Kurds the right to create their own independent and Turkey agreed to allow an independence if the Kurdish people would vote on independence.
ARTICLE 63.
The Turkish Government hereby agrees to accept and execute the decisions of both the Commissions mentioned in Article 62 within three months from their communication to the said Government.
ARTICLE 64.
If within one year from the coming into force of the present Treaty the Kurdish peoples within the areas defined in Article 62 shall address themselves to the Council of the League of Nations in such a manner as to show that a majority of the population of these areas desires independence from Turkey, and if the Council then considers that these peoples are capable of such independence and recommends that it should be granted to them, Turkey hereby agrees to execute such a recommendation, and to renounce all rights and title over these areas.
Now you tell me if the Turks allowed free election for the Kurds? Could any one guess what happened? Dose an “AtaTurk” bulldozer mean anything to you? What international borders are you talking about? Did the Kurds recognize the border? Did they vote on the issue?
So let’s Turkey is democratic (without laughing), so if Québec voted (missed by 1 percent) independence in Canada wouldn’t they have a Québec country now? Do you think Canada would threaten Québec with 80 000 soldiers?
Here are some Keyword to search for people who really wants to know the truth about Turkey:
Treaty of Sevres 1920
Leyla Zana
Ararat
Armenian Genocide
Human Rights Turkey
Kurdistan
Can Z. What’s is wrong of being called for Turkish Kurd?
You cannot compare Turkey with the United States. First of all.
Kurds are Kurdistanis NOT Turkish. American dose not call Indians as “American Indians”.
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It is an insult to the call the Kurdish people for “Turkish” because the “Turkish” is just a way to keep us from our identity.
So what should we call the Kurds in Iran? Or Iraq? Or Syrian?
Arab Kurds? Arabic Kurdish? Kurdish Iraqi? Iraqi Kurdish?
Why deny us our own identity? Why is it so hard to accept that Kurds want nothing such as “Turkish” in their names? You gives you the right to call us “Turkish”? If we Kurds want to be called Kurds then what is wrong with that?
“Turkish” stands for oppression, genocide, rape, and occupation for the Kurdish people. Why do you think the 5 million Kurds in south Kurdistan (north Iraq) dose not want the Turks there? Could it be they know what the true nature of the Turkish democracy is about? Millions of Kurds have showed, both in Europe, America, and Kurdistan that they do NOT want the Turks in south Kurdistan.
I hope you will respect that, and call us for our names. Kurdistani, Kurds.
Keyword to search:
akaKurdistan
peshmergadotnet,
Anyone who reads history knows that the treaty of Sevres is not a valid treaty. Also, what you stated as “facts” are not facts.
It seems you just have a strong opinion of all Turks and everything Turkish. I know that not all Kurds share your views.
As matter of fact Americans call the ‘Indians’ American Indians.
Anyhow I don’t want to carry on this polemic with the peshmerge guy any longer especially after I read his blabbering about Mustafa Kemal, and Kurds being the origin of humanity and the civilization !?? as we know it.
One last comment from me, if it was to me I’d give the Kurds the area they want, it is the land which doesn’t contribute anything to Turkey, and has been the main source of drainage of the Turkey’s resources for decades, and get over with the Kurds. That way they live in their barren country and we Turks would be free of Kurdish pollution in all our major cities in the west, and Turkey’s GDP would double over night.
“So what should we call the Kurds in Iran? Or Iraq? Or Syrian?”
Dear Peshmergadotnet, I call them Iraqi Kurds, or Syrian Kurds, where the first part explains their geographical location and the second is about nationality. That’s the widely accepted way of describing various nationals living in different countries the world over. Which is logical enough to make it difficult for you to change it.
As far as the existence of free Kurdistan, I believe that the best way out for Turkey would be to hold a referendum in the east and if the residents of Kurdistan want a seperate state, be it. However, it seems to me like the majority actually might no longer want a separate state, for purely economic reasons. (A lot of young villagers from Turkish Kurdistan seem to love their jobs in western turkish cities, which I deduce from the experiences of one such guy who was living in my flat throughout November right after leaving Turkey).
I know that the authorities in Turkey had been tough. I have an American(US) Turkish friend whose Liberal-Democrat father truly had to flee the country after the coup d’etat of 1960 (being in love with his home country he permanently returned after a couple of years though), and I have some Turkish Armenian friends one of whom pulled me out of the sight one evening, after we saw a group of police walking around a street in Istanbul last summer. And he had not done anything illegal! He simply feels that “the police is never good news in Turkey.”
So I do understand that there may have been some really bad experiences in your family. I absolutely believe in lots of hardships in the past. Still it clearly looks to me like the situation is improving rapidly and myself I do know a Kurd who is happy in Turkey, and certainly there are more than just one.
I was astounded when I heard that you, a Kurd, personally don’t know another Kurd who would not want a separate state at any cost. I thought I may be totally wrong in my current perception of Turkish Kurds, who I rather felt were mainly more similar to Kawan (see also Tobias Schwartz’s post above). So I really was puzzled, until I learned that you actually don’t live in Turkey. (Nor in Kurdistan.) How many Kurds are there in Cali?
best regards.
you will neither in turkey nor in ıraq nor in iran will establish a state.We are the protector of turkey . We are turkish youngsters.We are successors of ottoman empire.We allowed all people in the areas of ottoman empires and in Turkiye to live peacefully.You are betrayer.Although You can take help from usa,As we protect ourselves and battled all west countries,We can once more fight .However,kurds will not find any place in this geographia.Arabs ,
Pers ,and all turks will not forget perfidiousness of kurds. I can easily recognize kurds because all of which show the same bad features.
In conclusion,Turkey will stay the soil of turks.
As I am a turk citizen,I swear to fight Until dropping all my blood
butun kürtlerin götüne koyayım
butun kürtlerin götüne koyayım
we ,kurds, have been standing all turks since malazgirt war in 1071 but u all turks cannot stand us just for a minute.you just know to swear us because you are barbarian people
selam
selam
bütün kürtler abuzerin anasını siksin
BÜTÜN İNSANLAR KARDEŞTİR BUNU KÜRDÜN TÜRKÜN OLAYI ANLADIĞI GÜN DÜNYANIN EN GÜÇLÜ DEVLETLERİ ARASINDA YERALMAMAMALARI İÇİN HİÇ BİR NEDEN YER YÜZÜNDE MEVCUT DEĞİLDİR.GÜÇ BİRLİĞİNDEN KUVVET DOĞAR GÜÇ BİRLİĞİNİN SAĞLANDIĞI TOPRAKLARDA IŞIK SÖNMEZ.BU IŞIĞA İKİ KARDEŞ TOPLUMUN`DA İHTİYACI VAR.TÜRK VE KÜRT KARDEŞ, KARDEŞ BU GÜNLERE KADAR GELMİŞ BUNDAN SONRAKİ GÜNEŞİN SÖNMEYECEĞİ GÜNLEREDE KARDEŞ GİRECEK
siz kürtlerin prıblemi ne anlamıyorum
atalarımız kurtuluş savaşında omuz omuza can verdi şimdi yan yan yatıyolar ama siz hla bizi bölmek isteyenlerle işbirliği yapıyosuz kürdistanın hayal olduğunun farkına varın artık
VATAN BÖLÜNMEZ
I enjoyed your article about Diyarbakır, although I found out a little far from the truth, maybe you romantisised it for artisitc licence. Ive lived here for almost two years, heres my interpretation of the real Diyarbakır, for anyone whose interested. Diyarbakır’s main street ‘ofis’ is always filled people, from old women suffering under black shrouds, to young girls suffering for vanity in high heels. Young men walk slowly as they play with their mobile phones and smoke themselves into early graves, while old men with weathered faces and moustaches the size of sweeping brush bristles eat nuts and drink tea, carelessly dropping the shells on the floor. Amoung the hustle and bustle, groups of street children pester the shoppers for spare change, selling packets of tissues, or shining shoes, their tiny hands reach out, finger nails embedded in dirt. The backstreets are narrow and dark, filled with upturned litter bins, children scavanging in the waste, collecting old bits of card, broken plastic coat hangers, or even an old shoe. Wherever you go in the city, you cannot escape the sound of men spitting into the streets, it haunts my ears everyday, making my stomache turn. Neither can you escape the rubbish filled streets which spread nasty diseases to innocent passers by. After a while you begin to feel oppressed, not by the overlooking city walls, grey and looming, and not by the Turkish government, who are actually trying to improve the city, but infact by the people themselves, and by their narrowminded views and opinions. The city is growing rapidly, everywhere you look there is a new apartment block being built, the skeletons of houses, floors held with woodern posts, balancing like matchsticks before the concrete is added. Villagers fill the new buildings, they seek the bright lights of the city, they bring their stubborn ways into the new urban lifestyle, refusing to send their daughters to school, and killing them in the name of honour if they dont do as theyre told. And so the wheel turns, the cycle continues, instead of going forwards they go backwards, Iam sure the city will stay like this for hundreds of years while the rest of Turkey develops. Maybe at first sight you would be fooled by Diyarbakırs mystique charms, but after a while you realise their is nothing to Diyarbakır but filthy streets, filthy people, and poverty.
You will never take a Diyarbakır or any where from Turkey. But if you want , you can take a just Turkish cocks.
Selam olsun Türkiye Cumhuriyetini Tanıyan Tüm Kürtlere. Allah belasını versin Vatanı bölmek isteyen Kürtlere
we are in this lands since 1071 you kurds say youre here for thousands of years…you might be right.some say that you are a turkish tribes in mountains.some say you are not even a race because there’s not a singular kurdish country in the history.some says you are a cocktail of arabs, persians, byzantines, armenians and turks.we guys don’t know where this hatred begins.yes, we came in your country, we conquered it, we settled in there and you had the right to defend it…but no!you prefered running into mountains and kissing the ass of turkish beys.now you live inturkey probably use green card…(%84 of the diyarbakir uses it…which makes life easier with governments
money…(our money cut from OUR TAXES))as reported by turkish goverment most of you steal the electricity from tax paying homes and police does keep silent for not starting a civil war!!!but i tell you you’re really pushing it!!…we saved your hairy brown asses in independance war, you lived peacefully in ottoman age and still call us BARBARIANS???you should realize something;if we were barbarians we have had killed you in the first morning when we get in eastern antolia.yes we could kill you apes easly and as you now you couldn’t do anything instead of scratching…i really hate to say that but i wish we had…we don’t need
any snakes in our beds.because as we know YOU EAT THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU!!!you can’t lie the world forever.if you get out of these lands (if some one is to leave it won’t be us(it has never seen in history before)) and settle in europe, those idiots will realize what you are in real…(i’m not telling these to all kurdish people.i belive that there are really good people of them.but my words goes to those fucking bastards who wants to destroy my country)
the best kurd is a dead kurd.and other kurds should be with best kurds.
Guys, cut the trash talk would you?
hey chris, why do you like ‘em so much?are you gay or something…?i couldn’t stand those sodomisers for a minute.(what happened?is that about your past?was that your father?oh, poor little shiny boy)
im an American and i think turks should get a life and stop hurting the kurds.
New York
Peter Mills
You coldn’t choose your father, your mother, could you?
Also you can’t choose your children, can you?
Theen Why is it important to be Kurd, Türk etc.?
al bakalım…
Iam speak turkısh no Iam speak inglısh
verygood
dünyanın her yerinde heterojen topluluklar var ama hepsi kavga etmiyor zenginliği huzuru paylaşıyor turkish kurd lere söylüyorum bu ülkenin başına bela olmasaydınız 100 milyar dolar o.çocuğu apo ve piç leriyle mücadeleye harcanmayacaktı
hala taş devrini yaşayan peşmerge neyin devletini kuracak ortadoğuda büyük israilin metresliğini mi yapacak ABD petrol bölgelerini akılsız peşmergeye bırakır mı
bu ülkede lazı çerkezi gürcüsü adam gibi yaşıyor kürtlerede adam gibi yaşamaya gayret göstersin kardeş gibi yaşayalım yoksa bayrak dediğiniz çengi kıyafeti paçavranıza da national independent state nizin de ……
Lets clear the situation.
Who is the kurdis person. if we describe it.
You can not trust them. one day they will be your best friend and next day thay will stab you from your back. untrustable person. America will see and understand it soon.
They are very suitable for crime. in istanbul % 90 person picpockets are kurdish.
They love not to work, steal people money. set up mafia organizations. sell and buy drug. break in houses.etc.
They do not have life culture. They do not know how to talk in good behaviour. they spit on the road.
They say west of Turkey is rich east of turkey is poor. Why because they are lazy. They wnat money without working. Also east of Turkey is poor but More than %50 East is Turkish. They are also almost poor. Because of the weather and land conditions. This is not about Turkish demaocrasy. There are many people Kurdish very rich in west side. In 1990’s Turgut Ozal was a Kurdish Turkish prime minister. singer ibrahim tatlises is kurdish. He is very rich. Also many kurdish businesmann is rich and well educated in Turkey. They hjave rights and they became rich and aducated. as ı told you thjey are lasy. They do not want to go to school. They do not send their girls to school.
They kill the People and scared them to live their land in east side to get all land.
They make 10-20 children to increase their population. one man has 4 wife and 40 children. How can make school for them 40 children from one father. Even they eat just bread. Because thay want to increase their population. So they are aÅŸways of course poor and they will stay as poor like that.
They are best lier. I talked with one kurdish in london. He told me that he was lying and telling that “Turkish soldiers killed my father,mother, raped my sister” (all lie) and because he wanted to get british passport and privillege (such as free accommodation. Half price fuırniture even salary from England because he was refugee which was not True. He knows that he will get passport soon from fool british government. He laughed and told me that he was lying.
They smell like dankey. Because they wash themself one in a month.
All of them ugly , Big noose. Brown and hard skin ,
They want independence because you (English,Norvegian. Dutch, German , Belgian) provoke them. So you can apart them from Turkey.
if turkey get smaller easy to manage Turkey and Kurdish. like you did that to ottoman empire.
You provoke them since 1900’s Because you want Petroil from there ,
is that clear
Lets continue
This is betrayel
They betray their country like Arabics did to Ottoman empire in 1900’s i, They stab Ottoman Empire from back because of English, German, American intelligens provoke them to do it.
Know they are slave of American and english soldiers and they have been raped in iraqi prisons. This is the reality.
Between 1400’s and 1500’s they lived in a peaces under ottoman empire until Petroil invented and ottoman empire weakend.Espacially english devil intelligents provoke to arabics to betray Ottoman empire. Amreica does it to kurdish people now. Because They are suitable to betray their country.
Now you are in terror atack because you feed them.
is that clear
Yes thats true.
We came to Anatolia since 1071
Why we did not kill you at this time. Because we are not barbarians. Because There was no Kurdish people and culture. They say they are in nation. How. Even you do not have common Kurdish language. Every kurdish city speak different type of Kurdish. They live in caves. They do not have any historikal building. All Kurdish cities made of Cow shit. They do not use brick to built a house. All big buildings houses, cultures created by turkis people and from other nations. Ther are no Kurdish History in Anatolia. They do not have any monument to show that they have a culture and history. Just house covered by cow shit.
They do not have any culture to become together as Natioanilty. This is stupit.
West Europe and Russia Provoke them to apart from Turkey. Because small countries easy to manage and colonize. Big ,And Strong Turkey is very dangerous.
is that clear
you christoper and the other guys, You are English and American intelligents and you do provoke to Kurdish Pople.
Do you remember you killed American poor indians , Brought african people to your country. They worked just for food. you chained them
Do you remember The poor Africans brought to your country worked in your metro to dig it night and day just for food. do uou rmember you killed american indians to get their lands.
You ! Christopher do not turn your back to Kurdish people they will stab you from you back.like they did their country.
Do you remember how killed poor aztecs to get their lands and golds.
Colonized them and suck their lands , trees , peoples, use them as a slave like you do that now in iraqi prisons,
This is not the dream of a Kurd ?
This is a Dream of The English Provoker who wear a sun glases between the Kurdish people. He knows that provoke will pay back as money and petroil to his Boss. This is a part of colonization in this century. Cold war. Provoke, Divide and colonize them. Suck their lands and people as long as you can. Steal and Bring their precious things and show them with price of 20 sterlin in London Museums. Make your house with their trees from their lands. Take apart to trees bring them to england make a house for you. other people can leave in cave . Does not mather. penetrate the sepeartenes rape their brains , wash and change their brains to kill each othe. than watch them and tell “You are Barbarians ” so who you are , you are devill of hell. go to hell
is that clear
LongLive KURDLAND
KURDLAND
KURDLAND
KURDLAND
KURDLAND
KURDONYA
fuck turkey
FUCK HUMPHREY
LONG LIVE KURDISTAN
FUCK HUMPHREY
FUCK ANYONE THAT STANDS IN OUR WAY
Diyarbekir burning
tarik says that all kurds fucks abuzers mother.HEY TARİK! NEVER FORGET;TURKS ARE FUCKİNG YOUR MOTHERS FOR 1000 YEARS.bu vatanı sevr antlaşmasının taraflarına yar etmedik.bir avuç çapulcunun bir avuç toprağı bile almayı düşünmesi ütopya.bu arada GAZİ MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK olmasaydı sadece biz türkler değil kürtler bile kürt olamazdı.GOD BLESS TURKEY.
bu arada az önce bazılarının anladığı dilden bir iki cümle yazmak zorunda hissettim kendimi.humphrey DD vs.hepinize teşekkürler.
NAMIK
WE SWEAR TO FÄ°GHT UNTÄ°L DROPPÄ°NG ALL OUR BLOOD
some bastards are still talking about kürdistan ha?
we’ll give’em a try for sure.as long as they breed like rats they will have the majority in the numbers.and again,we, the TURKS will be the ones to show them what are we good at in real!!!go on,breed you bitches..when you have the numbers to fight against us (there are about 70 million people in turkey(and only 55 million of us are turks..)) i mean when tou have people to fight against us(considering the past(that you never ever had any singular country of your own))you should have the numbers (20 kurds to 1 turk(i’m pretty sure that you guys will manage that with that way of thinking(“i have 30 kids and i can’t feed em…please turkish goverment…help our nation…”(and i’m also pretty sure that most of you bastards feed em all to kill more Turkish children…)))) any way europe has already tried to give you lands they sieged turkey(greece, england, italy, france(and armenia supported by russia at unspoken Turkish genocides.))arabs betrayed us and fought against us with english.and you ran your mountains again.we protected you kurds and arabs for 950 years against crusades (well of course probably you kurds won’t fight at those crusades… you’ll just become christians and save your brown asses one more time.but my ancestors have seen you as brothers and you betray them…?now your still talking about human rights?i tell you what happens when a scotch talks his own language in a british college:He’ll be sent to court..!!but in turkey you get support from those british and french bastards (as thay enslaved many innocent man in africa,asia and of course america (and they are still sucking their blood by their new policies)i tell you;you are the largest minority without having their own land by themselves in the history…and without the ottoman empire(altough i hate them i still defend them)you were nothing but english-french colonies by now.keep on betraying… -TANRI- will laugh when you are running at your last(and probably the first)real head to head fight against us(nor any one)(i don’t mean bombing your selves and innocent people against americans( of course you just smile at the americans and let the arabs bomb civilian people( you guys(arabs-kurds)have the power to deal with em but arabs don’t have the guts and you betray them(because you never had guts at all))))anyway we’ll see you what you call this thing(it will look like a war but we’ll look like killing chickens with hammers (so keep on breeding)).i don’t know what you will call it.but this kurdistan named dreams of that kurd…but i can tell you it’ll stay as a dream as we TURKs exist..
some bastards are still talking about kürdistan ha?
we’ll give’em a try for sure.as long as they breed like rats they will have the majority in the numbers.and again,we, the TURKS will be the ones to show them what are we good at in real!!!go on,breed you bitches..when you have the numbers to fight against us (there are about 70 million people in turkey(and only 55 million of us are turks..)) i mean when tou have people to fight against us(considering the past(that you never ever had any singular country of your own))you should have the numbers (20 kurds to 1 turk(i’m pretty sure that you guys will manage that with that way of thinking(“i have 30 kids and i can’t feed em…please turkish goverment…help our nation…”(and i’m also pretty sure that most of you bastards feed em all to kill more Turkish children…)))) any way europe has already tried to give you lands they sieged turkey(greece, england, italy, france(and armenia supported by russia at unspoken Turkish genocides.))arabs betrayed us and fought against us with english.and you ran your mountains again.we protected you kurds and arabs for 950 years against crusades (well of course probably you kurds won’t fight at those crusades… you’ll just become christians and save your brown asses one more time.but my ancestors have seen you as brothers and you betray them…?now your still talking about human rights?i tell you what happens when a scotch talks his own language in a british college:He’ll be sent to court..!!but in turkey you get support from those british and french bastards (as thay enslaved many innocent man in africa,asia and of course america (and they are still sucking their blood by their new policies)i tell you;you are the largest minority without having their own land by themselves in the history…and without the ottoman empire(altough i hate them i still defend them)you were nothing but english-french colonies by now.keep on betraying… -TANRI- will laugh when you are running at your last(and probably the first)real head to head fight against us(nor any one)(i don’t mean bombing your selves and innocent people against americans( of course you just smile at the americans and let the arabs bomb civilian people( you guys(arabs-kurds)have the power to deal with em but arabs don’t have the guts and you betray them(because you never had guts at all))))anyway we’ll see you what you call this thing(it will look like a war but we’ll look like killing chickens with hammers (so keep on breeding)).i don’t know what you will call those kurdistan named dreams of that kurd…but i can tell you it’ll stay as a dream as we TURKs exist..
but still i’ll be really happy if you guys can manage to have a state in iraq or iran…it’s better you guys get the hell out of our country and live in any where
cause we’re really tired of you parasites.since you started claiming territories which can make easy and pretty money in istanbul and some other cities.
you started to breed like ants in marmaris, bodrum and other touristic towns and ruining those places.talk with a foreigner, she’ll tell you about how dirty turkish man are…guess what?they are not turkish!…you guys try to fuck every blonde object in those places and i can tell you it’s not giving em a good impression about turkey.and they see you as turks and get on your sides cause they think we annoy you same way as we(?) annoy them.i’ll support you about those kurdish state thing in iran.i would even support you about eastern cities of turkey-if my ancestors hadn’t spilled their blood for those lands…you know why they did that?because they were turkish cities before armenians slayed the local turkish people.well, of course, that was ok for you since you lived in mountains and caves like animals.but you now have the majority in eastern lands(man, how can’t you?.you breed like rabbits!!!)
and you want them to have your own country…
well, good luck because you really need luck…
Lots of turkish young soldier lost their lives because of a dream? How it is easy to talk when not having such problems as losing 30000 citizen because of terror? Didn’t these young soldiers have a dream? What had happened to those dreams?
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